Novak Conversions Jeep Wrangler YJ engine mounts

1994 Hunter Green SE “Back to Stock” Thread

There is not much else to talk about besides the engine work, because that is really all I’ve done this summer Jeep-wise. I did, however, do some more decision making on the 4WD system. As I’ve detailed out earlier, I went back to the CAD system. I didn’t really want to, but figured it was best for reliability. This was mainly because I didn’t like the TJ one piece shaft and the weird universal seal you have to use for it.

However, I had problems with the CAD already. I had no front driveshaft installed and so I had it in 4wd for my testing. The CAD didn’t engage. I took it apart and it seemed like there was some resistance on the splines that made the collar and fork not want to move over into the locked position.

Other problems with the CAD are that over time, the connection between the intermediate and outer axle shafts wears out and allows the shafts to wobble, killing CAD seals and causing leaks. This is because the left axle turns the diff spider gears at vehicle speed, which turns the intermediate backwards at vehicle speed. Then you have the right axle turning at vehicle speed. This means at 70 mph, you’ve got 140mph worth of speed difference at that bushing where the axles ride. That is a lot.

I decided to ditch the CAD again, but going a different route this time. I decided to use a 4x4posilok.com perma-lock kit. I know they say for off-road only, but this is just because it spins the front driveshaft all the time. This is not a problem if your angles are good and/or you use a better than stock driveshaft to handle the rotations. This will solve the problem of parts wearing too, because the shafts now rotate together and can’t wear at their connection point.

The main reason for going this route was to keep the axle mostly stock (besides being locked together). This maintains the stock design, only coupling them together permanently. It lets me use factory Dana seals, bushings, shafts, etc, but with no real flaws in the design. The latest axle shafts from Spicer use 5-760x joints too, so no strength concerns.

I used an HD cast iron fork, which is super solid. Other people said their fork moved too much and it would let their axle disengage. That’s no bueno. That is because the stock aluminum fork wallows out and allows play. With the cast iron fork, that simply is not going to happen. Thing is 100% rock solid with no way to let that collar move other than rotation.

Here is the installed perma-lock.

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To go with this, I finally bit the bullet and tested out a TJ front driveshaft to see how angles look. I bought a Mopar transfer case yoke, which has the nice factory dust shield on it.

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I had a free TJ front driveshaft from someone I got some parts from last year, so I decided to try it out. It was in poor shape, so I’m not actually going to use it, but it gave me an idea of fitment and angles. I think things look pretty good.

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I think I’m going to get a driveshaft made at Denny’s Driveshafts that is high speed balanced and equipped for my low gears. As long as there are no vibes, then I will be 100% happy and glad to finally be done with driveshaft/front axle plans. I’ve gone back and forth over this for years and never could decide what I really wanted. Perma lock seems to be the best option to keep things like stock with the least amount of compromise and potential to go back to stock CAD easily also.

Now I just need to finish up and drive and see if I have vibes.
 
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Ugh, I know that feeling on purchasing an engine that is out of the vehicle and being told up and down it's a solid runner. We've talked so you know my story is similar. I go out of my way to be honest with people and it's, frustrating as hell.

I hope the Jasper is in better running shape now, it definitely needed a good flush out. The engine in my Sahara was a real mess but after all the work I did cleaning it out, she runs like a champ.

Good luck!
 
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Ugh, I know that feeling on purchasing an engine that is out of the vehicle and being told up and down it's a solid runner. We've talked so you know my story is similar. I go out of my way to be honest with people and it's, frustrating as hell.

I hope the Jasper is in better running shape now, it definitely needed a good flush out. The engine in my Sahara was a real mess but after all the work I did cleaning it out, she runs like a champ.

Good luck!

Definitely needed a solid cooling system cleaning, no doubt there. I’m hopeful that was the problem, because between the last time the engine ran, to now, nothing really should have changed. The last time it was ran before 2024 was for about 30 minutes in the driveway in 2021. It didn’t make all the same louder tapping noise. So we’ll see. Still plan to build the other motor, but it would be nice if the Jasper can continue to drive at least.
 
I didn't realize it has been sitting for that long since you ran it last. Hopefully that is your issue and with it now being properly cleaned out and new coolant, it will run well so you can use the Jeep and build the other engine in your spare time.
 
I didn't realize it has been sitting for that long since you ran it last. Hopefully that is your issue and with it now being properly cleaned out and new coolant, it will run well so you can use the Jeep and build the other engine in your spare time.

Yeah, it’s been under the knife since the end of 2020. I got bored during Covid and started ordering up a bunch of stuff I always wanted. Then eventually I decided I didn’t want any of it anymore and worked to undo everything I did lol.

I’ll share photos soon but with the new stock looking bumper, it looks sharp. I’ll be cleaning up the garage and getting back to work on it tomorrow. Also have some truck stuff to do so we’ll see what all I’ll get to, but there is no reason to not make jeep progress this time.
 
4-5 years ago I installed a Warn front bumper. I really liked this bumper…it looked sharp without being over the top.

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However, it was intended in my use case to go with 33’s, lift, etc. It looked off-road oriented. With the closer to stock size tires I have now, it doesn’t really fit, in my opinion. Certainly didn’t look bad though, but to me stock would be a better fit.

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I picked up an Omix-Ada bumper which is close enough to stock in appearance that I’m happy with it. Same for the bumper end caps. Now that I have stock wheels and an overall stock track width, I think the full stock bumper setup looks great. It always looked weird when I had aftermarket steelies because the stance was further out than where the bumper end caps ended.

I also installed a Warn winch mount back when I installed the Warn bumper, because I did intend on installing a winch, and the factory Jeep plastic cover doesn’t really work with the Warn bumper. I still want the ability to run a winch with the stock bumper, so I grabbed some washers so that the winch mount would install flat. Since it sits on the bumper and the frame, it straddles a step. A thick flat washer (1/2”) at the rear winch mount holes fixes this.

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The last thing having to do with this project is tow hooks. My YJ didn’t ever have tow hooks. I wanted tow hooks. I picked up a clean repainted set of stock hooks, which looked good enough.

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Since I never had stock tow hooks, I didn’t have the longer bolts needed to mount the hooks. I found a nice set of OEM quality (new) bolts sold in a kit on eBay for a fair price. I picked up a set:


The problem is, the stock tow hooks have a step built in, because of that step from the bumper down to the frame that I mentioned earlier. This is no problem if I wasn’t going to run a winch mount, however, I will be running one. So the stock hooks don’t work….

Example of the step:

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When I bought the hooks, I wasn’t really thinking about the winch mount. Since they won’t work for my uses now, I ordered up a set of Rugged Ridge hooks that are 10K lb rated, and have the right hole spacing for CJ/YJ/TJ. They are supposedly very good quality, with the only downside being the hardware supplied. I won’t be using that hardware, I’ll be using the OEM style torx bolts I bought for both appearance and good corrosion resistance.

Overall, this is how it looks now, with no hooks. The RR hooks are backordered, so once I get them I’ll install and upload a photo.

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I’ll be selling the Warn bumper and I’ll probably stash the tow hooks away somewhere just to say I have some stock hooks in the pile.

For fog lamps, I am going to buy some stock imitation brackets that will mount my KC fog lamps in the OEM location. I would like to install a stock set of lamps, but they are an insane price and I think the Amber KCs are neat anyways. So I’m not itching to get rid of those. The brackets are way overpriced, but oh well.


Overall I’m happy with how it turned out. I think the stock bumper with a winch on it will be a clean but utilitarian look, and of course functional with the tow hooks and winch mounted. The Warn bumper was cool for sure, but ultimately just didn’t match the theme of the rest of the Jeep anymore. Now I need a winch…
 
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I was about to ask if you could just grind or machine the step off the back of the hook but buying some aftermarket hooks and saving those for someone's rebuild might be better.

I went with a 2-inch receiver on the front that has built in tow loops rated for a 9k pull. Thought I've been thinking recently of a winch plate and taking my winch off the cradle and putting it on the YJ. I just hate the thought of hauling around 75-100 lbs of winch, that will rarely get used.
 
I was about to ask if you could just grind or machine the step off the back of the hook but buying some aftermarket hooks and saving those for someone's rebuild might be better.

I went with a 2-inch receiver on the front that has built in tow loops rated for a 9k pull. Thought I've been thinking recently of a winch plate and taking my winch off the cradle and putting it on the YJ. I just hate the thought of hauling around 75-100 lbs of winch, that will rarely get used.

I probably could grind the step down, but I’m doubtful I’d do a good job keeping it flat so that it sits properly flat and stable when bolted down. So I figure I may as well get some hooks that will work better and keep the originals original.

As for the winch, I considered the weight also, but it’s kinda whatever to me. The M8000s I plan to use is 55 lbs and the winch mount was maybe 10-15. It’s a decent amount of weight, but I doubt I’ll even know it’s there. Might be more reason for me to switch to the Bilsteins though.
 
Still plugging away after the engine reinstall. Just been either lazy or busy lately and that adds up to very slow progress.

I did accomplish a few things within the last week:

  • Installed all coolant hoses and filled with coolant
  • Finished terminating the grounds for the engine harness and hooked to the factory engine ground point
  • Installed the starter and hooked up
  • Filled and bled PS as much as I could, will check it again once engine is running
Nothing exciting but progress is progress. I still need to install the MAP sensor, spark plug wires, the cat and catback, the airbox and some other miscellaneous stuff like crankcase hoses and do a final onceover to make sure I didn’t miss anything.

Hoping to fire it up this week. Maybe tomorrow evening. Only briefly, but if I can do that, then maybe another drive around the block with a full warm up towards the end of the week or next weekend.
 
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4-5 years ago I installed a Warn front bumper. I really liked this bumper…it looked sharp without being over the top.

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However, it was intended in my use case to go with 33’s, lift, etc. It looked off-road oriented. With the closer to stock size tires I have now, it doesn’t really fit, in my opinion. Certainly didn’t look bad though, but to me stock would be a better fit.

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I picked up an Omix-Ada bumper which is close enough to stock in appearance that I’m happy with it. Same for the bumper end caps. Now that I have stock wheels and an overall stock track width, I think the full stock bumper setup looks great. It always looked weird when I had aftermarket steelies because the stance was further out than where the bumper end caps ended.

I also installed a Warn winch mount back when I installed the Warn bumper, because I did intend on installing a winch, and the factory Jeep plastic cover doesn’t really work with the Warn bumper. I still want the ability to run a winch with the stock bumper, so I grabbed some washers so that the winch mount would install flat. Since it sits on the bumper and the frame, it straddles a step. A thick flat washer (1/2”) at the rear winch mount holes fixes this.

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The last thing having to do with this project is tow hooks. My YJ didn’t ever have tow hooks. I wanted tow hooks. I picked up a clean repainted set of stock hooks, which looked good enough.

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Since I never had stock tow hooks, I didn’t have the longer bolts needed to mount the hooks. I found a nice set of OEM quality (new) bolts sold in a kit on eBay for a fair price. I picked up a set:


The problem is, the stock tow hooks have a step built in, because of that step from the bumper down to the frame that I mentioned earlier. This is no problem if I wasn’t going to run a winch mount, however, I will be running one. So the stock hooks don’t work….

Example of the step:

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When I bought the hooks, I wasn’t really thinking about the winch mount. Since they won’t work for my uses now, I ordered up a set of Rugged Ridge hooks that are 10K lb rated, and have the right hole spacing for CJ/YJ/TJ. They are supposedly very good quality, with the only downside being the hardware supplied. I won’t be using that hardware, I’ll be using the OEM style torx bolts I bought for both appearance and good corrosion resistance.

Overall, this is how it looks now, with no hooks. The RR hooks are backordered, so once I get them I’ll install and upload a photo.

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I’ll be selling the Warn bumper and I’ll probably stash the tow hooks away somewhere just to say I have some stock hooks in the pile.

For fog lamps, I am going to buy some stock imitation brackets that will mount my KC fog lamps in the OEM location. I would like to install a stock set of lamps, but they are an insane price and I think the Amber KCs are neat anyways. So I’m not itching to get rid of those. The brackets are way overpriced, but oh well.


Overall I’m happy with how it turned out. I think the stock bumper with a winch on it will be a clean but utilitarian look, and of course functional with the tow hooks and winch mounted. The Warn bumper was cool for sure, but ultimately just didn’t match the theme of the rest of the Jeep anymore. Now I need a winch…

Touching back on the front bumper and tow hook stuff.

I finally received the backordered Rugged Ridge hooks. They are actually very nice seeming quality. Nice and flat on the bottom, and the body is actually a bit shorter, so that gives me some bolt length back. The step in the stock hooks combined with the tall base of the stock hook and the thickness of the winch plate made me not really comfortable with the stock bolt length. I felt through the frame to the weld nut and threads were not protruding. However, now with the shorter hook with no step, they protrude. I gained about 2-3 threads of engagement. I think I’m good for recovery now.

Can see the difference of step vs without step here. Second pic has the washer in place to show how much difference it is.

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Measures the differences from top of hook base to the counter top. Almost 1/4” difference.

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RR hooks installed

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I dig it! Looks bone stock but with a winch. I don’t think it can get any cleaner. Once I clean up the garage and don’t have to be embarrassed about what the photo will capture, I’ll post a clean front end photo.
 
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Keep at it, just a little at a time. You'll be driving it before you know it.

Hah, yeah, hope so. I think the toe angle and steering gear were why it was so poor to drive last time. Hopeful that the new gear solves most of the problem, with a dial in of the toe fixing it up to fully good. It’s hard to tell by eyeballing, but my best guess says it’s a bit toed out. The spec is anywhere from barely toed in to barely toed out, so I may dial it in just a tad.

I’ll still need to do something with the brakes. Other than tightening up one rear brake line that was leaking, I haven’t done anything yet. Gonna see how they feel and go from there.

Hopefully no odd noises now that I fixed the coolant and can get real cooling.
 
Spent the last couple days tying off the last few things before the engine could be started:

  • Spark plug wires & ignition coil
  • Removed, cleaned out, and reinstalled coolant reservoir
  • Reinstalled windshield washer reservoir
  • Reinstalled MAP sensor
  • Got the cat and cat-back back in place (not fully adjusted and tightened down yet)

Cranked it up for about 20 seconds this afternoon and good news, it starts and runs fine. Same as it did before. When cold, it definitely sounds like it always has. Once I can get it out of the garage and warm it up appropriately, we’ll see if it still sounds bad or if it stays normal. My guess is on it being normal now, I really think the sludge was causing it to overheat in areas, thinning out the oil too much in those areas. We shall see.

The catback is being a bitch, so I have to keep on working on that until I can get it slid onto the cat enough to bolt up at the rear hanger. Other than that, it’s basically ready to do a brief drive again, other than I need to tidy up the carpet and shifters once again since I haven’t done that yet.
 
Here I find myself still not driving the YJ, although I am super close. I got the catback installed, and so the engine can fire.

Unfortunately, I have a new snag. I started cranking up the engine to see how it runs and such, and it plain and simple didn't start right. It felt like it didn't want to start, although it would start. It would crank longer than normal and it really sounded like it was choking on too much fuel or something. Once running, it ran ok. Maybe a bit stumbly but for the most part it felt like a normal YJ 4.0.

I started by checking everything over, made sure all sensors were plugged in, etc. Everything checked out. I noticed that my fuel pressure regulator hose had a crack on one of the elbows, which is no bueno. I removed the hose, blocked off one end, blew into the other. Air escaped the cracks easily, so it definitely needed to be fixed. I went to AutoZone and bought a set of elbows that fixed that problem. No dice on the starting issue, although it did run a bit better, which makes sense, because a vacuum leak at the regulator will both cause the engine to run lean but then also increase the fuel pressure when it's not ideal too since that should only happen at WOT. So that did actually help a small bit.

The running issue persisted. I started thinking about what could have possibly changed since the last time it ran, which at that time, aside from the tapping lifter noise, it ran well. The ONLY things that actually changed were the water pump, exhaust manifold, thermostat/housing, etc. None of those would make a difference. I remembered one more part that changed.....the flywheel. I went from a Centerforce high inertia flywheel back to a stock style Luk flywheel. I didn't think there would be anything wrong with the Luk flywheel, as I have used them before without problems.

I headed to Amazon where I bought the flywheel, and sure enough, there were a bunch of bad reviews about the timing notches being in the wrong spots. The reviews were from the same time period that I bought mine: Summer 2024.

Begrudgingly, I spent yesterday afternoon/evening pulling the transmission (AGAIN). Lo and behold, the flywheel I installed had the same incorrect timing notches. This would make sense, because the YJ OBDI system should be using the crank position sensor to determine the engine position based on these nothes. The last notch in each set should be read right at the engine is 4 degrees before TDC. Well, these notches are about a notch's worth off, meaning they are probably 20-30 degrees early. I think the reason the engine ran mostly fine is because it doesn't use this as much while running, mostly starting.

On the contrary, people who installed these into TJs had numerous issues with running rough and lots of codes being thrown.

Here is a comparison photo. The bad flywheel is on the left. Notice how the blue marks are slightly more counter clockwise in location than the red marks.

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So now, I am waiting on a new set of flywheel bolts, and I went and picked up a Sachs flywheel at AutoZone. The timing marks are in the correct spot, thankfully. Hopefully I can wrap this up today or tomorrow and go back to starting the engine problem-free. At that point, I can finally start take it for small drives again and then really figure out how the steering feel is and also figure out if I need to do any work on the brakes, alignment, etc.

Once all that is squared away, maybe I can finally start to drive it.
 
Here I find myself still not driving the YJ, although I am super close. I got the catback installed, and so the engine can fire.

Unfortunately, I have a new snag. I started cranking up the engine to see how it runs and such, and it plain and simple didn't start right. It felt like it didn't want to start, although it would start. It would crank longer than normal and it really sounded like it was choking on too much fuel or something. Once running, it ran ok. Maybe a bit stumbly but for the most part it felt like a normal YJ 4.0.

I started by checking everything over, made sure all sensors were plugged in, etc. Everything checked out. I noticed that my fuel pressure regulator hose had a crack on one of the elbows, which is no bueno. I removed the hose, blocked off one end, blew into the other. Air escaped the cracks easily, so it definitely needed to be fixed. I went to AutoZone and bought a set of elbows that fixed that problem. No dice on the starting issue, although it did run a bit better, which makes sense, because a vacuum leak at the regulator will both cause the engine to run lean but then also increase the fuel pressure when it's not ideal too since that should only happen at WOT. So that did actually help a small bit.

The running issue persisted. I started thinking about what could have possibly changed since the last time it ran, which at that time, aside from the tapping lifter noise, it ran well. The ONLY things that actually changed were the water pump, exhaust manifold, thermostat/housing, etc. None of those would make a difference. I remembered one more part that changed.....the flywheel. I went from a Centerforce high inertia flywheel back to a stock style Luk flywheel. I didn't think there would be anything wrong with the Luk flywheel, as I have used them before without problems.

I headed to Amazon where I bought the flywheel, and sure enough, there were a bunch of bad reviews about the timing notches being in the wrong spots. The reviews were from the same time period that I bought mine: Summer 2024.

Begrudgingly, I spent yesterday afternoon/evening pulling the transmission (AGAIN). Lo and behold, the flywheel I installed had the same incorrect timing notches. This would make sense, because the YJ OBDI system should be using the crank position sensor to determine the engine position based on these nothes. The last notch in each set should be read right at the engine is 4 degrees before TDC. Well, these notches are about a notch's worth off, meaning they are probably 20-30 degrees early. I think the reason the engine ran mostly fine is because it doesn't use this as much while running, mostly starting.

On the contrary, people who installed these into TJs had numerous issues with running rough and lots of codes being thrown.

Here is a comparison photo. The bad flywheel is on the left. Notice how the blue marks are slightly more counter clockwise in location than the red marks.

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So now, I am waiting on a new set of flywheel bolts, and I went and picked up a Sachs flywheel at AutoZone. The timing marks are in the correct spot, thankfully. Hopefully I can wrap this up today or tomorrow and go back to starting the engine problem-free. At that point, I can finally start take it for small drives again and then really figure out how the steering feel is and also figure out if I need to do any work on the brakes, alignment, etc.

Once all that is squared away, maybe I can finally start to drive it.



Man, en$#!+tification is coming for everything. Glad you figured it out. I am about to go on a sabbatical from purchasing dang near anything due to the lack of QC. I read reviews religiously now. It was bad enough when buying stuff for my AMC360 (one of the big reasons I swapped to LS in the Wagoneer), but 4.0 goodies falling down the drain with blatantly incorrect machine work? ugh.
 
That’s crazy! I thought Luk was a reputable brand and was planning on using them whenever the clutch wears out in my NSG370. Maybe I’ll have to find a different brand.
 
Man, en$#!+tification is coming for everything. Glad you figured it out. I am about to go on a sabbatical from purchasing dang near anything due to the lack of QC. I read reviews religiously now. It was bad enough when buying stuff for my AMC360 (one of the big reasons I swapped to LS in the Wagoneer), but 4.0 goodies falling down the drain with blatantly incorrect machine work? ugh.

Yeah, frustrating for sure. And what do you do if a shop did your work? Shop has to do the work twice for free or you have to pay twice? Just a no win for anyone when parts aren't right. Sucks to have to do it all myself again as well, but at least I can so it's mostly "free" to me (except buying another flywheel and my time). I'm going to try and get some sort of refund for that bad one.
 
That’s crazy! I thought Luk was a reputable brand and was planning on using them whenever the clutch wears out in my NSG370. Maybe I’ll have to find a different brand.

Their clutches are fine, but if you buy a flywheel, definitely inspect it. Although the flywheel for the 05-06 Jeeps is different.
 
So crazy that it was indeed the flywheel. I have used the LUK flywheels for my go to on OEM replacements for many vehicles over the years. Like dodgerammit mentioned, I will do my best to fix a part or pull it from the yard before I have to buy some Chinese replacement. Thankfully I picked up my LUK flywheel last winter so I missed out on this bad run. At least you figured out the issue and it's not something you'll be chasing forever.
 
So crazy that it was indeed the flywheel. I have used the LUK flywheels for my go to on OEM replacements for many vehicles over the years. Like dodgerammit mentioned, I will do my best to fix a part or pull it from the yard before I have to buy some Chinese replacement. Thankfully I picked up my LUK flywheel last winter so I missed out on this bad run. At least you figured out the issue and it's not something you'll be chasing forever.

Yep, unfortunately we are at the mercy of Chinese on most of our purchasable parts. And China has the capability to make good stuff, but the companies here who use them don't pay China to make the products any level of decent.

My first Luk flywheel was fine, I'm pretty certain. I found an old pic of it (with the clutch installed on it) and to the best I could tell, the timing notches were correct. I think the weird running issues back then were due to engine management with the IAC and such more than anything else.

Looks like my flywheel bolts now won't arrive until tomorrow, so another day of no progress.
 
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