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Thanks again; tried the second to revers method presto no grinding.  Still wondering why it grinds going in to revers otherwise, cant be normal. dos not appear to be the clutch as all other gears shift fine.  The jeep sat for at least 10 years before I bot it and I got it as a project to remove the tub clean up the frame which is sallied but rusty. Just wondering if I need to look into the transmission further.